Opera: We will Reinvent the Web

By | June 11, 2009 | 44 Comments

Opera
No more info (yet), expect for the “hidden” comment in opera.com/freedom source

“We start our little story with the invention of the modern day computer.
Over the years, the computers grew in numbers, and the next natural step in the evolution was to connect them together. To share things … “

Also, the following tweet: “We are! We’ve put the internet on a USB stick so that you can always have a connection wherever you are!” (Thanks to Cqoicebordel for pointing that out).

Update: But as these little networks grew, some computers gained more power than the rest and called themselves servers…

Update 2: Today, millions of people are connected together in a great web …


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  • http://nocontinues.net/ Tiago Sá

    My opportunity to say “No you won’t, no you don’t.”

    • tssk

      Your opportunity to be a troll as usual. Why do you always spam Opera posts with your inane drivel?

  • http://www.favbrowser.com Vygantas Lipskas

    Lots of clouds here. Cloud computing? :-)

  • nobody

    yet another widgets are approaching

    • heh

      yet another basement-dwelling troll

  • Cqoicebordel

    Some informations :

    “http://www.opera.com/freedom/ We are! We’ve put the internet on a USB stick so that you can always have a connection wherever you are!”
    http://twitter.com/Hicksdesign/status/2115660578

    • Golden Boy

      Portable Opera?

    • nobody

      or some sort of 3G usb-adapter with data plan

      anyway, i dont believe a word if opera says ‘we will do something great’, they arent exactly known to be delivers

      • heh

        they arent exactly known to be delivers

        Apart from basically inventing most of the stuff you take for granted in modern browsers, such as searches from the browser, popup blocking, showing multiple pages inside the main window, speed dial, sessions/continue where you left off after restart, easy way to delete all private data, etc., of course.

        • Foo

          Implementation, maybe. Innovation, hardly.

          Searching from the browser were introduced in IE5 ( http://www.crn.com/it-channel/18801593 )

          The Bomis.com browser were said to block pop-ups ( http://www.clickz.com/77151 )

          While it were the first HTTP browser that had MDI, I personally find multiple documents to be practically useless when presented in that way, being no better than having actual separate windows. The real event was when the likes of InternetWorks and NetCaptor came along with a tabbed interface.

          Speed dial? “stuff you take for granted in modern browsers”? Wait, you’re only comparing it with Chrome? Also, speed dial is as much an “invention” or “implementation” as saying that your browser have an inbuilt search engine because you set your start page to Google Search.

          Though, I can hand it to you, they were probably the first browser with sessions.

          I never really cared about that whole “private” browsing fuzz, so I can’t really say anything about that. So, not counting extensions and plug-ins, you have just earned yourself two brownie points. Congratulations!

          As for the article… I think people is in for a nice letdown, if it’s anything like that other green thing they released

          • cousin333

            “The Bomis.com browser were said to block pop-ups”

            So bad, Opera had it more than a year before in Opera 3.0.

            “I personally find multiple documents to be practically useless when presented in that way”

            That’s your opinion. Besides MDI is the root for TDI, at least in Opera. Tha latter is just a fine representation of the first.

            “The real event was when the likes of InternetWorks and NetCaptor came along with a tabbed interface.”

            Do you have a link for that, when it was implemented?

            “Speed dial?”

            It’s not just Chrome. Firefox has such an addon, and there’s also Safari 4. Even IE implemented some sort of “links in new tabs” option.

            “Also, speed dial is as much an “invention” or “implementation””

            Nobody used that before, so I guess we can call it invention. Your example is ridiculous…

            ANd what about full page zoom anyway? Clear private data? Nicknames? User CSS-s? Integrated download manager? Mouse Gestures? Small Screen Rendering? Drag&drop of tabs? Spatial navigation? Fast Forward/Rewind? Password manager? Full history search?(I don’t say that Opera was the first to implement them (surely was among the major browsers), but prove it wrong if you can.)

            Denying Opera’s innovation capability is just stupid I think. I’m looking forward this new function, hope it will rock… :)

          • heh

            @Foo

            Implementation, maybe. Innovation, hardly.

            Yes, innovation. They did it first. Innovation.

            Speed dial? “stuff you take for granted in modern browsers”? Wait, you’re only comparing it with Chrome?

            Chrome and Safari. Mozilla is also working on their own implementation.

            It’s funny how you are so desperate to sling mud at Opera. Why the obsession?

          • Foo

            @cousin333

            So bad, Opera had it more than a year before in Opera 3.0.

            Really? The earliest I can find is Opera 5 back in 2000.

            That’s your opinion. Besides MDI is the root for TDI, at least in Opera. Tha latter is just a fine representation of the first.

            “I personally find” < what’s so hard to understand about that?
            Hardly, MDI is just an extra box around your windows, APIs for implementing that existed far before Opera released their browser. Though, most likely they created their own implementation.
            The latter is far more than MDI. In TDI you most often don’t have every window loaded at the same time and you have easy access to a list of available documents without having to search through menus.

            Do you have a link for that, when it was implemented?

            This has been up all over the internet several times, some people have even found old binaries just to post screenshots :P.
            As for links, earlier than 16 December, 1998 at least.

            NetCaptor lets you keep your open browser windows in one interface, organized by tabs.

            http://news.google.com/archivesearch?q=internetworks+|+netcaptor+browser+interface&scoring=a&sa=N&cid=8582822126167435

            Speaking of links… I like how the Opera fanboys always scream for links and sources even though they themselves can only bother to post links to Opera owned sites 99% of the time…

            It’s not just Chrome. Firefox has such an addon, and there’s also Safari 4. Even IE implemented some sort of “links in new tabs” option.

            Those are way more elaborate than just having your top 9/25 bookmarks on your start page… Also, add-ons are made by the users of Firfox/SeaMonkey/Thunderbird most of the time and not Mozilla itself.
            I also don’t see how you can think of it as something “you take for granted in modern browsers” when there’s barely any released browsers with a non-blank startpage. Especially given that you have to install an extension manually, that is definitely not taking something for granted.

            Nobody used that before, so I guess we can call it invention. Your example is ridiculous…

            I don’t see what Nobody has to do with this…
            In what way is it “ridiculous”? It’s the same frikkin’ thing, only difference is one is local and default while the other is external and something you have to choose yourself.

            ANd what about full page zoom anyway?

            You call TDI a “fine representation of the first” yet you think of “full page zoom” as an invention? It’s an implementation of the magnifier accessibility tool on a broader, yet localized, scale.

            Clear private data?

            You were talking about innovation. Sure they were first in integrating more advanced handling of private data but there were many utilities created to do this in other browsers before they had anything.

            Nicknames?

            As far as I know, Opera added support for keywords in between Netscape’s pre-release and actual release with keyword support. Can’t find any sources though as every damn newspaper want me to pay them to read old news…

            Interesting to note though, keywords must be the most unknown feature of any browser. Every-time I mention keywords anywhere there’s always at least one person who goes “cool, I didn’t know you could do that”. Btw, that goes for both users of Firefox and users of Opera.

            User CSS-s?

            When was this introduced? I can’t find any dates for it, though XUL was introduced in 1999 so Mozilla probably allowed for styling web pages and the GUI by then.
            Still, it’s not innovation, it’s an implementation of already existing technology. It’s just a user-interface to change what is already there.

            Integrated download manager?

            Probably. But now you’ve gone and done it again. It’s not innovation, it’s implementation (or mash-up or remix if you will). Just because you glue a fork to a spoon and call it a spork you haven’t invented anything.

            Mouse Gestures?

            Implementation, not innovation. How hard can it be to understand?
            I’d garner there’s a reason why Opera is alone with native (or aren’t they?) mouse gestures.
            Sure back when you had just two buttons, or one if you were unlucky, gestures could probably help a bit. But with todays improved mice it’s no more than “decoration”. Of course, tastes differ.
            Though I must confess I have been tempted to install a mouse gesture extension just to be able to do this:
            http://www.mousegestures.org/

            Open links in tabs (end with Right-Up-Left):
            Making any gesture ending with a straight Right-Up-Left movement opens all crossed links in tabs.

            Still, in the end, it’s keyboard all the way for me. Mouse is for playing FPS and strategy games :D

            Small Screen Rendering?

            Huh? I tried googling but all I found were this:
            http://simonwillison.net/2002/Oct/22/mozillaSmallScreenRendering/

            Drag&drop of tabs?

            Quick search says that Firefox and Opera both got the ability on the same month?
            Btw, I really think you’re starting to drag out straws now… Re-ordering tabs an innovation?

            Spatial navigation?

            I’m glad no major browser has implemented this, tab switching is enough. It’s a headache to know were you’re going to end up most of the time.
            I very much prefer the caret navigation of Firefox over the spatial navigation of Safari and Opera.

            Fast Forward/Rewind?

            Is this something people actually use? Thank you, but I’d rather let Opera keep that one. I mean, it’s much simpler to open a new tab for every result that interests you.

            Password manager?

            Integrating a password manager isn’t innovation. Quick search doesn’t give me anything relevant so no idea about password management for any browser.

            Full history search?

            I take it you mean searching the text of cached pages from the location bar? Yeah, that was a nice comeback by Opera actually.
            Still, it’s not really more than an extension of the already existing search and Internet Explorer had the ability to search your cached history back in version 4-5 had it not?

            but prove it wrong if you can.

            It would surely be nice if you could prove anything true… if you can? :P

            Sorry if there’s some link not working or some sentence that doesn’t make sense. I’m not used to writing answers of this length -_-

            @heh

            Yes, innovation. They did it first. Innovation.

            Which part did they do first? The search that Microsoft stole from them by traveling through time?

            Chrome and Safari. Mozilla is also working on their own implementation.

            Ah, I’ve never seen the Top Sites before. It does look like a thought out version of the dial.
            Chrome and Mozilla on the other hand is actually trying to find a use for the new tab page rather than just throw in something that can be replaced by keywords or the bookmark toolbar.

            It’s funny how you are so desperate to sling mud at Opera. Why the obsession?

            Mud? Opera? No, you’re misunderstanding, I’m slinging mud at you and your ilk.
            Not sure in what way I appear to be desperate though. It’s not like I’m the one that comments at least twice a day here…
            Also, most of the time I comment here while waiting for dinner to cook or my tea to steep.

      • http://www.favbrowser.com Vygantas Lipskas

        Hm, now when you said that: maybe a 3g usb adapter with opera already integrated in it… Oh well, will see soon

  • nobody

    “Denying Opera’s innovation capability is just stupid I think. I’m looking forward this new function, hope it will rock… :)”

    yeah, they can come up with good new ideas. yet they completly fail when it comes to execution. speed dial was a good idea, yet it was sold by opera in such poor way, that noone really cared. it needed more options, more polish, more thought put into actual mundane task of implementation. and here it is – it is a standard now – safari,chrome,firefox all use it, and it is usefull there, yet in opera it is still another not used feature.

    there is also dark side of it – opera ignores features, that maybe arent that NEW but are VERY VERY popular and usefull – autoupdate (opera autoupdate is crap, sorry), form filling, extensions. maybe, just maybe opera would have had that 5% market share more, if it was modern and had stuff that in 2009 are called ‘essentials’. like ‘be able to work with gmail’ or ‘ability to use right click on google maps to set directions’..

    as for that ‘new’ stuf – it will be copied and made better in a week span, no matter what that is. and after that noone will remember that opera did it. this is a price for being a minor player.

    • cousin333

      “yet they completly fail when it comes to execution. ”

      Maybe that’s the case with some of the inventions, but not with al of them. I find it funny, that you want to tell me, what’s good for ME. “noone really cared”? LOL! It is well polished, works fast, has many intuitive options (like changing the order or drga&drop bookmarks, tabs to the slots) from day 0. I admitt they were a bit late with some basic customizability like setting the number of slots (although care must be taken for syncing it as well), but otherwise t works well, and many people use it for a while (consider the Firefox extension, which was slow and ugly, but fully customizable – it depends on user’s preference which one to choose). As for more polished versions. Personally I find the “most used pages” “improvements” very disturbing with their ever changing thumbs and pages. Considering that both Chrome and Safari are now offering ways to lock or remove slots, others also agreed with me. Oe thingI like to have in Opera is option to automatically reloading the thumbnail, after I actually loaded the given pages.

      “autoupdate (opera autoupdate is crap, sorry),”

      Why?

      “form filling”

      It has some form filling capability for a while. Auto suggestion may be implemented soon, although I don’t find it necessary (anyway, can we consider it then a useless feature? ;) ).

      “extensions”

      Yeah, the last resort for Opera haters like you… Opera has great customizability and extendability through several methods. Th “extensions” you refer to, are “two-edged” weapons offerin as much downsides as upsides. Besides, only Firefox has them, so it’s not a commong thing among browsers.

      “called ‘essentials’. like ‘be able to work with gmail’ or ‘ability to use right click on google maps to set directions’..”

      The first means only that some of the functions not working with Opera. Because you actually can use Gmail witout any major problem (or you can just use it with M2 through IMAP as I do anyway). These problems usualy not only Opera’s fault (althogh it has its share). Yes maybe bigger marketshare would help, but this has nothing to do with innovation. I hope Opera will put greater efforts to this problem (and more developer).

      “this is a price for being a minor player.”

      And having an excellent history of (non-)vulnerabilities is a reward… ;)

      • cousin333

        Sorry for the many typos. I switch on spell-correction immediately… :)

      • nobody

        “autoupdate (opera autoupdate is crap, sorry),”

        Why?
        –
        – it downloads the full installer
        – compared with firefox’ one doesnt have that ‘automagic’ functionality, i’m always scared that my settings are going to dissapear, yet i have full confidence in ff’ autoupdater
        – it clutters ‘installed programs list’, leaving mess and general bad taste
        – it fails for suprising number of people – not detetecting available upgrades, or simply failing to install them

        is that enough?

        “form filling”

        It has some form filling capability for a while. Auto suggestion may be implemented soon, although I don’t find it necessary (anyway, can we consider it then a useless feature? ;) ).
        –

        this feature alone makes your life so much easier, that ignoring it (wand is great for passwords, it is lame for anything else) in a browser that makes ‘web easier’ is just stupid. after some time with any other browser you come back to opera and ‘wtf, where are my suggestions?’. no, and ‘notes’ do not count.

        “extensions”

        Yeah, the last resort for Opera haters like you… Opera has great customizability and extendability through several methods. Th “extensions” you refer to, are “two-edged” weapons offerin as much downsides as upsides. Besides, only Firefox has them, so it’s not a commong thing among browsers.

        –
        chrome has them, IE has them. maybe not so widespread, but they are there, chrome esp. is making good and dedicated effort to implement solid extensions support. that makes community larger. that makes market share larger, and given that some of them are webdevs, it also makes chrome fail less often on pages. opera misses all of that.

        opera has NO options to extend its feature set – widgets are simply crap, have lots of limitations, and noone cares about them. userJS was killed by opera itself, they do everything to kill this feature constantly ignoring it. besides, opera customisations (like menu, toolbars) requires editing .ini files. this is innacteptable in 2009. if an option isnt available from the GUI it isnt there. simple as that. opera overwritting these changes at each update isnt helping either. compare that to extensions, that manage themselves, autoupdate and are hassle free. days of ff 1.5 extensions mess are over.

        what are the ‘downsides’ of extensions? security? point me to a link with recent security issues with ff extensions. everyone is talking about it, yet it never happens.. memory hog? sorry, we are using ff 3 now, not ff 2. so what are the downsides?

        • Grrblt

          “- it downloads the full installer
          - compared with firefox’ one doesnt have that ‘automagic’ functionality, i’m always scared that my settings are going to dissapear, yet i have full confidence in ff’ autoupdater
          - it clutters ‘installed programs list’, leaving mess and general bad taste
          - it fails for suprising number of people – not detetecting available upgrades, or simply failing to install them”

          Dude, it’s beta. It doesn’t have to work yet.

          • nobody

            in Opera, most stuff that is in beta lands in final – namely bugs.

            anyone remember how polished was 9.0 release? or any other major release of Opera? these autoupdate problems are nothing compared to 9.0..

          • heh

            nobody:

            in Opera, most stuff that is in beta lands in final – namely bugs.

            Same as Firefox then.

            anyone remember how polished was 9.0 release? or any other major release of Opera? these autoupdate problems are nothing compared to 9.0..

            Anyone remember Firefox 2.0 and 3.0? Yes, they were disasters.

        • cousin333

          (I don’t know where the heck was this comment of mine so far. I’ve posted it days ago, but then, again:)

          “it downloads the full installer”

          So does FF if it’s needed. And Opera doesn’t do that either when not necessary. For it is a beta, a lots of things change in each new release.

          “compared with firefox’ one doesnt have that ‘automagic’ functionality, i’m always scared that my settings are going to dissapear, yet i have full confidence in ff’ autoupdater”

          That’s your problem…

          “it clutters ‘installed programs list’, leaving mess and general bad taste”

          That’s true, but it has got nothing to do with autoupdate.

          “it fails for suprising number of people – not detetecting available upgrades, or simply failing to install them”

          Do you know, that it’s a beta release with a brand new functionality? As far as I remember, Firefox auto-update was also not without problems at the beginning.

          “this feature alone makes your life so much easier,”

          Hope they’ll implement it soon, so that guys like you cannot miss it as a pet functionality… Anyway, this is true for Mouse gestures, and that”s not included in FF, and no, addons don’t count (if Notes doesn’t count either – why? anywa it’s not the same).

          “chrome has them, IE has them”

          Yeah, maybe… How many people actually uses them to call for it as an argument? Most people uses maybe Yahoo Toolbar because they’ve installed some program that installs it. Even Firefox users don’t usually use extensions (exp. AdBlock one of the most popular addon used by 5% of FF users).

          “it also makes chrome fail less often on pages”

          Chrome (and Safari) uses WebKit. Behind Chrome there is Google, behind Safari there’s Apple. They have he power to reach more compatibility. And manyproblems with Opera are related to Google Apps, that – not surpisingly – works well with Chrome… And the site compatibility has less to do with extensions, W3C compliancy and developer tools matters much more. Anyway, can’t you think of webdevs using Opera and Opera’ community sites?

          “opera has NO options to extend its feature set”

          Widgets, userJS, userCSS might be not so powerful, and harder to make them work, but that assumption is a plain simple lie.

          “opera customisations (like menu, toolbars) requires editing .ini files.”

          That’s not true, there are buttons for specific functions, and even button maker apps. Besides some costumization requires that either in FF, if noone has implemented it before.

          “what are the ‘downsides’ of extensions? security? point me to a link with recent security issues with ff extensions. everyone is talking about it, yet it never happens..”

          Do you think, that securitiy companies will try FF with more thousands of ever changing extensions and with every possible configuration?

          “memory hog?”

          Yeah, FF3 actually teaches Average Joes how to code, right? :).

          “so what are the downsides?”

          So besides memory and security problems (which we didn’t ruled out yet), there is compatibility. i intall anew Firefox, and half of my addons refuse to work. Even if I force them (with an other extencion, of course) to start, they may not work. Or think of incompatibility with each other, that’s also not an unheard of thing. The addon developers work for themselves not for cooperating with other addons.

          “we are using ff 3 now, not ff 2″

          I know, that’s why it seems strange to me, how many FF user consider FF3 as a crap compared to FF2…

          • nobody

            “”“compared with firefox’ one doesnt have that ‘automagic’ functionality, i’m always scared that my settings are going to dissapear, yet i have full confidence in ff’ autoupdater”

            That’s your problem…”"

            no, it isnt MY problem. it is a problem, that prevents many (most? all?) people from heavily customising opera. installer just destroys whatever work you did. that is the price for messing with ini files and of not so well thought out customisation system. firefox doesnt have that problems, no matter how many extensions you have, they are all after upgrade (some of them might not work, but they are here, and they will be updated and installed again automagicaly, hassle free)

            “”“it clutters ‘installed programs list’, leaving mess and general bad taste”

            That’s true, but it has got nothing to do with autoupdate.”"

            WTF? if autoupdate uses installation method that is stupid, then it is autoupdate issue. besides, it is possible to avoid this problem with MSI, but opera is not capable of doing so apparently.

            “”“this feature alone makes your life so much easier,”

            Hope they’ll implement it soon, so that guys like you cannot miss it as a pet functionality… Anyway, this is true for Mouse gestures, and that”s not included in FF, and no, addons don’t count (if Notes doesn’t count either – why? anywa it’s not the same).”"

            notes dont count because they are VERY, VERY bad for this thing. the fact that they might be used this way, doesnt make them usefull. notes are not usefull. i’d gladly install ‘auto-fill’ extension for opera if it was available, im not orthodox, and do not need to have everything ‘in one package’.

            firefox mouse gestures extensions is able to mimick everything opera can do for me.

            “”“it also makes chrome fail less often on pages”

            Chrome (and Safari) uses WebKit. Behind Chrome there is Google, behind Safari there’s Apple. They have he power to reach more compatibility. And manyproblems with Opera are related to Google Apps, that – not surpisingly – works well with Chrome… And the site compatibility has less to do with extensions, W3C compliancy and developer tools matters much more. Anyway, can’t you think of webdevs using Opera and Opera’ community sites?”"

            ahh, the ‘money argument’. so why opera doesnt use webkit engine? it is free to take, free to modify? so if they choose to write their own engine, then dont bring money into the game. theyve decided to do it their way. was it a mistake? im not sure, but it was opera decision. btw – safari/webkit are not popular besides US, so chrome and safari meet same compatibility problems in europe, as opera everywhere else. yet, they (safari/chrome) know when to back up and adopt to the common crowd, opera always ‘knows best’ and thus fail. webdevs wont code for ‘standards (as in industry standards) and for opera’. dont count on it. and yes, there are weddevs that use opera for development. but im sure that they can do less in given time then if they were using firefox tools. and opera community sites are not usefull at all to developers, sorry. most of the stuff on ‘labs’ etc sites are about html5, svg and widgets. thats cool and all, but what webdevs need is how to make opera work with such minor stuff like html4, js and css. because opera has LOTS of quirks there. noone cares about html5 now. it would be nice if opera stopped pretending that it is all not opera’ fault. like for gods sake released working, usefull, easy to use and again – working developer tools.

            “”Widgets, userJS, userCSS might be not so powerful, and harder to make them work, but that assumption is a plain simple lie.

            “opera customisations (like menu, toolbars) requires editing .ini files.”

            That’s not true, there are buttons for specific functions, and even button maker apps. Besides some costumization requires that either in FF, if noone has implemented it before.”"

            widgets.. the biggest money sink in the entire universe, even opera dont use it for anything. it is a crap, simple as that. both userjs and usercss are forgotten. opera did lots to kill it. and theyve managed that. btw. compare to extensions. is opera capable of doing what piclens/cooliris does?

            “”“what are the ‘downsides’ of extensions? security? point me to a link with recent security issues with ff extensions. everyone is talking about it, yet it never happens..”

            Do you think, that securitiy companies will try FF with more thousands of ever changing extensions and with every possible configuration?

            “memory hog?”

            Yeah, FF3 actually teaches Average Joes how to code, right? :).”"

            snide remarks without merit. you bable about security and memory problems, yet there are no proofs, no links, not even faked screenshot with memory consumption. ff3 (with typical extension set) is en par if it comes to memory use and ‘responsivenes’ with opera. both clearly beaten by chrome and safari. state some facts.

            “”“so what are the downsides?”

            So besides memory and security problems (which we didn’t ruled out yet), there is compatibility. i intall anew Firefox, and half of my addons refuse to work. Even if I force them (with an other extencion, of course) to start, they may not work. Or think of incompatibility with each other, that’s also not an unheard of thing. The addon developers work for themselves not for cooperating with other addons.”

            that is your problem. because it sounds like you are using ff 1.5.

            “”“we are using ff 3 now, not ff 2″

            I know, that’s why it seems strange to me, how many FF user consider FF3 as a crap compared to FF2…”"

            links please.

          • Cqoicebordel

            “notes dont count because they are VERY, VERY bad for this thing. the fact that they might be used this way, doesnt make them usefull. notes are not usefull. i’d gladly install ‘auto-fill’ extension for opera if it was available, im not orthodox, and do not need to have everything ‘in one package’.”

            I may be wrong, but wasn’t this UserJS make for this purpose ?
            http://userjs.org/scripts/browser/enhancements/ops

            (Bam ! UserJS and auto-fill argument in one)

          • cousin333

            “automagicaly”

            You seem to be a little obsessed… :)

            “notes dont count because they are VERY, VERY bad for this thing. the fact that they might be used this way, doesnt make them usefull. notes are not usefull.”

            You’ve got your answer earlier (not from me).

            “ahh, the ‘money argument’. so why opera doesnt use webkit engine? ”

            Because Opera exists far more earlier than WebKit? :)

            “noone cares about html5 now.”

            No. just the above praised WebKit, and the Mozilla…

            “because opera has LOTS of quirks there”

            Links proving this? Links proving that others has no issues at all?

            “widgets.. the biggest money sink in the entire universe, even opera dont use it for anything. it is a crap, simple as that. both userjs and usercss are forgotten. opera did lots to kill it. and theyve managed that. btw. compare to extensions. is opera capable of doing what piclens/cooliris does?”

            You lied, and now you just jump over it with a widget slashing session… There’re some godd ones out there, but I’ve never said, that they have the same capabilities (and purpose) as FF extension.

            “is opera capable of doing what piclens/cooliris does?”

            No. Do you think I care? No!

            “snide remarks without merit. you bable about security and memory problems, yet there are no proofs, no links, not even faked screenshot with memory consumption.”

            These were rightful arguments I guess, so you tell me, how FF3 made all extensions completely compatible with each other, or completely safe from coding errors (which can cause memory problems and security issues).

            “ff3 (with typical extension set) is en par if it comes to memory use and ‘responsivenes’ with opera. both clearly beaten by chrome and safari. state some facts.”

            Look, who’s talking… You didn’t mention any proof for your assumptions that you handle as ‘facts’. My arguments need all kinds of proof, yours none? In fact you didn’t have any arguments besides “FF2 was good, FF3 is (almost) perfect”

            “that is your problem. because it sounds like you are using ff 1.5.”

            Again an assumption from you, that completely fails. In fact, I got this habit of having the very latest version of the softwares I use on my computer.

            “links please.”

            http://prohardver.hu/tema/mozilla_firefox_2/friss.html OK, it’s Hungarian, but you will solve it with an extension, I’m sure. :) But if you don’t live under a rock, you must have read such kind of opinions in forums talking about FF or other browsers. You have to face the fact, that everyone has a different bit of taste, and an enormous variety of compontents (hardware and software).

            I guess, that this conversation is not really belongs to this thread. Besides I’ve got tired of this conversation, where I hace to prove you everything, while you present your opinions as undisputable facts.

    • heh

      @nobody

      speed dial was a good idea, yet it was sold by opera in such poor way, that noone really cared

      Actually, it’s one of the most popular features. All reviews were raving about it.

      yet in opera it is still another not used feature

      Wrong. Just about everyone is using it. Why are you lying?

      As for autoupdate, Firefox also started out downloading the whole thing. That didn’t make it useless.

      • nobody

        raving about speed dial? maybe authors had to write ‘something’ and that was the only ‘new’ thing in that release? hardly raving..

        • heh

          Yes, raving about speed dial. All the reviewers loved it, and it’s one of the most popular Opera features ever. No wonder other browsers borrowed the idea.

          Opera led the way again! :D

          • nobody

            proof? where is the info that ‘speed dial is the most used feature’. post a link or not post at all.

            “Anyone remember Firefox 2.0 and 3.0? Yes, they were disasters.”

            post me a links to ff3 issues threads, or not post at all. ff2 wasnt good, but was usable, ff3 was and is very good. ff 3.5 alphas was more polished than latest opera 9.6

          • Foo

            It’s certainly sad if that pad is one of the most popular feature they have…

  • http://www.favbrowser.com Vygantas Lipskas

    I somehow start to think that it’s Jetpack, just from Opera, of course.

    • cousin333

      Well, Jetpack seems to me as a kind of Widgets with tighter integration capabilities.

      • Foo

        Jetpack is a more userfriendly way to build extensions nothing else. While it’s currently not as powerful as the normal way to write extensions right now, they are planning to extend the functionality of it and perhaps replace the current implementation with it.

    • heh

      How would that “reinvent the web”?

  • Cqoicebordel

    I don’t think it’s a Jetpack equivalent.

    The text in the source changed again :
    “We start our little story with the invention of the modern day computer.
    Over the years, the computers grew in numbers, and the next natural step in the evolution was to connect them together. To share things … “

  • http://www.favbrowser.com Vygantas Lipskas

    http://en.onsoftware.com/operas-special-announcement-will-not-be-opera-10/

    “a cryptic message stating that Opera will be unveiling ‘a new technology‘ on Tuesday, and that there’ll be a live webcast.”

  • http://www.favbrowser.com Vygantas Lipskas

    New line added “But as these little networks grew, some computers gained more power than the rest and called themselves servers…”

    Cloud computing..?

  • http://myopera.com/fatal FataL

    I already posted my guesses in three places. Lets do it there also. :) Maybe people come up with some further ideas about it before June 16.

    “To share things… called themselves servers…”

    Hmm… Seems I might know what Opera prepared! http://pfs.fotki.com/ Something similar?
    PFS (Personal Fotki Server) was (roughly 5 years ago) essentially your own tiny personal web server for sharing photos and other stuff with any users. I worked for Fotki then and created user web interface for it.
    After you set is up people can see your stuff (and even upload) on PC through URL similar to this: http://pfs.fotki.com/fatal
    Unfortunately PFS no longer works (probably shut down because too few people used it). So would be really nice if Opera created something similar to PFS. I’m exited already! But wait, these are just my guesses! Lets wait a bit longer and see.

  • Golden Boy

    When will they remove damn sys tray icon?

    • mabdul

      there is already a command line option for this! opera.exe -nosystray

      • Golden Boy

        No worky on windows

        • http://www.favbrowser.com Vygantas Lipskas

          It’s /notrayicon on Windows. Will write a tutorial tomorrow :-)

  • The-Doc

    “opera -notrayicon” on GNU/Linux

    Just check “opera –help” to see all options

  • http://www.favbrowser.com Vygantas Lipskas

    “Today, millions of people are connected together in a great web …”

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