Opera Software Q2 2010 Financial Results

http://Operaner.net Andylee

I really recommend the full report. There seems to have been an unusual high revenue in 2009 which then dropped dramatically in 3rd 2009 and is now up again to a level comparable with 3rd 2008.

nobody

ignoring various financial signs, that always can be explained by currency rates (and opera lovers just always use this explaination) there is one undenyable fact – opera desktop not only is not growing, but it have lost some users this time. and given that entire internet population is constantly growing, that means that it also lost some marketshare in the proces (previously it maintained its 1-2% marketshare due to slowly growing userbase, so called natural growth, but now..)

i wonder how opera fanatics will explain this. but im sure, that theyll ignore that opera is the last browser without extensions, without proper developer tools and in reality with stagnant feature set. feature set, that is on average 5 years old now, and long awaiting facelift.

and you will not win USERS with speed, if most major pages simply do not work with opera, or provide subpar experience.

Dante

Opera browser market share (only browser): http://www.netmarketshare.com/report.aspx?qprid=1&qpcustom=Opera
Opera Extensions: userJS (NoScript,AdBlock,Linkify,VideoDownload,LinkAlert…), userCSS, more than 700 internal actions for shortcuts, buttons, context menus or mouse gestures, Widgets, Unite, menus, panels
Old features? Other browsers only copy this features. 40 features in smaller package than naked Firefox, big Chrome (50MB after install), overgrown IE or Safari.
- nobody
  
  i stopped reading when you mentioned that userJS can emulate NoScript or AdBlock. EDUCATE yourself on WHAT these extensions CAN do and compare to what you can achieve with userjs or opera in general.
  
  please, convincing others that steam engine ‘is just as good’ as modern v12 ferrari engine is fun while it lasts. later on it is just pathetic..
  - Dante
    
    Oh, boy… You know that extensions in other browsers is written in javascript?
    Simple example – blocking scripts: http://kyran.wordpress.com/2007/11/21/userjs-url-sanitizing/
    NoScript as OperaUnite application: http://unite.opera.com/application/641/
    AdBlock (Element hiding) as simple userJS (+ Opera have internal URL blocking feature): http://my.opera.com/Lex1/blog/adblock-for-opera-analogue-of-adblock-plus-element-hiding-helper
    I prefer Block External Scripts userJS for automatic blocking advertisements or statistic scripts on pages: http://my.opera.com/Lex1/blog/block-javascript-pop-ups
    - nobody
      
      as i predicted, you know NOTHING on extensions you are mentioning.
      
      it is cool and allright for you to prefer subpar solutions, but please, do not spread b… about these being on-par with what firefox/chrome/safari extensions can do. opera ‘solutions’ CAN NOT do this stuff.
      
      and your examples are CLASSIC cases in point – you provide something that looks ‘just barely like it’ and claim, that ‘it is it’. in reality, you want me to believe, that steam engine is better than jet power, because you havent seen that jet power yet and think that it is ‘just another steam pump’..
    - Dante
      
      Firefox extension = userscript for function + xml for interface + some images for UI
      Great Firefox extensions use only 33% of Firefox users.
      And Chrome extensions? Is simple javascript as Opera userJS. Chrome mouse gestures extension not working everywhere. Is possible in Chrome block only external scripts on specific page?
    - nobody
      
      and yet, firefox extensions can do so much more than script+xml+some images..
    - Dante
      
      I know. Extensions Slow down Firefox.
    - nobody
      
      replace your calculator then, and install ff 4 beta or 3.6. because yes, ff 1.5 could have had these problems
    - Ichan
      
      FireFox can kiss my ass :P
    - Dante
      
      “replace your calculator then, and install ff 4 beta or 3.6. because yes, ff 1.5 could have had these problems” FX 4.0 looking same as Opera but is slower and use stupid customize UI. Many extensions generate many problems with stability, speed, and security.
    - nobody
      
      name these ‘many’ extensions. because you are repating what OTHERS said 5 years ago about ff 1.5.
      
      go on. im waiting for details.
    - Dante
      
      Troubleshooting in Firefox page: Poorly designed or incompatible extensions can cause problems with your browser, including make it crash, slow down page display, etc. If you encounter strange problems relating to parts of the browser no longer working, the browser not starting, windows with strange or distorted appearance, degraded performance, etc, you may be suffering from Extension or Theme trouble. Restart the browser in Safe Mode.
    - nobody
      
      i asked details – what extension does these ugly stuff you talk about
      
      if you want to clutch at straws, i point you that userJS with infinite loop or poorly written code will break opera, easily
    - Dante
      
      http://kb.mozillazine.org/Problematic_extensions
    - nobody
      
      so you repeat what others say without checking it? it sounds quite stupid.
      
      btw love this site – ‘hangs firefox 2.0′ or ‘in version prior to [insert 2 year old version number]..’ or my favourite – does what it is intended to do, but somebody STILL got offended when NoScript caused videos to stop playing (o rly? videos are javascript objects and it is hard to manipulate them without javascript..)
      
      yet again – anything coming from your personal experience, or youll just spread other’ stories?
      
      you know how is called a man without his own opinion and one that repeat only what others say?
    - Dante
      
      “yet again – anything coming from your personal experience, or youll just spread other’ stories?”
      Own experiences? Slowdown Firefox – Firebug, Mouseless browsing (i like spatial navigation in Opera), Linkification, SEO Quake, WOT, FlagFox…
maskokot

Why are extensions needed ? They only provide features and i do not see any( hardly any) feature that opera does not have.
Yeah developers tools are problematic.
But stagnant feature set ? In reality ? What did I miss ?
But I completely agree with speed approach. I mean faster is good but I do not remember waiting for page rendering ever. Might be an issue with slower machines though.
- nobody
  
  extensions? well.. because what opera can do is almost always ‘lite poor’s man’ version of given functionality. if you suddenly realize that you need a more robust/feature rich etc version of such feature, you are in no luck, opera cannot be extended to provide this kind of stuff.
  
  with extensions, you start also with simple stuff, but if the need arises – you CAN enchance it. this ABILITY is a key to extensions. do not like them? do not use them. but if you want them, you are in high chances to find one that suits you. with opera we are given unite, bittorent, widgets, mail, irc and all that stuff – that MOST of us do not use. yet, we cannot get rid of it (and do not believe that bulsheet about it not using up memory.. 5yrs of cpp coding experience, and i;ll not buy this crap). meanwhile you CANNOT add anything that you would like to have, like developer tools. until opera manages to do them (and that is never) you CANNOT fix that. with firefox, you can.. firebug is a 3rd party stuff, that is further extended byvarious others.
  
  and it is due firebug that firefox is so popular, because webdevelopers, all of them, use it. and that way youll not find a page that breaks in firefox.
  
  stagnant feature set? when was the last new functionality added to M2? to IRC client? to Bittorent? to download manager? to cookie manager? and all of these require refresh, because most of them were introduced 5 or so years ago. this is stagnant. extensions are updated very often while opera can live with ‘accept cookies’ in site preferences broken since version 10.0. that are 3 years..
  - Dante
    
    “when was the last new functionality added to M2? to IRC client? to Bittorent? to download manager? to cookie manager?” In Opera 10.0
  - Dante
    
    “Bla, bla bla you CANNOT add anything that you would like to have, like developer tools”
    Official DevTools for Opera – november 2006 and i used some DEVmenu for Opera 7.x in 2003.
    - nobody
      
      you mean official dragonfly crap? sorry, you are no developer if you think these are even near OK.
      
      and webdev menu? we are no longer in 2001 son, this is 2010, and go and look what competition does – firebug, webinspector, even IE has powerfull js debugging, profiling and direct hooks to rendering engine. opera is still in age of javascript bookmarklets.
      
      world moved on, opera stayed.
      
      and btw – opera 10? what exactly was added to irc in 10.0? what to cookie manager and what to downloads manager? go ahead, list it. that will be a good laugh
    - Emil
      
      Man wake up! Dragonfly is the WORST dev tool on Earth! If they added it some versions before that means nothing, its still unusable in the current!
    - Dante
      
      DragonFly have JS debuging tools and web inspector too. In 2003 i used dev menus and JS, DOM, CSS consoles and panels (you can used IE6 or Firefox 0.6). Sometimes I used Firebug Lite tool with Opera Dev tools.
    - Dante
      
      “and btw – opera 10? what exactly was added to irc in 10.0? what to cookie manager and what to downloads manager? go ahead, list it. that will be a good laugh” IRC is simple and usefull (added changes to title bar), cookie (web storage, session and widgets) and inspector added to DragonFly tool, download manager (better than in Chrome, or Firefox) have added support for external managers, deleting history of downloads, integrated system context menus on files, BT have new setting window and M2 have support for HTML mails, possible send web mail, index control, Low Bandwidth Mode, follow/ignore threads and contacts…
    - nobody
      
      dragonfly is a piece of crap not developers tool. you can use it to barely look inside the code, but if you want anything more, you are stuck.
      
      i think that you dont even realize what other tools provide, and what is required if you want do something complex. opera cannot do anything complex with these tools.
      
      and given how does progress on them looks like (ie, no progress at all – one/two features a year) then there is no hope.
    - Dante
      
      I only browsing web without advert, external scripts, iFrames and page elements. It is fast and comfort because I have mapped some new actions (more than 700 available) for mouse gestures and key shortcuts for spatial navigation. If you want some more complex for browsing you must use Firefox with 20 extensions. Every extensions must at first find, download, restart browser, check updates, first (complexly) setup and use. If you have some problems (http://kb.mozillazine.org/Problematic_extensions) – disable, restart browser and find different extension. Meantime I start Opera, download mails from 5 accounts, 15 RSS feeds, reload 5 locked tabs and write Hello world in first open IRC channel. Do you want some more complex or you only like playing with Firefox (javascript) extensions (only 33% of users have installed one or more extensions)?
    - nobody
      
      if installing firefox extensions dwarfs you.. then sorry, really sorry
      
      and btw – so many ‘options’ and yet there is no way to make tab strip behave like firefox one (scroll to the sides with min-width)
      
      ‘highly customisable UI’ my ass..
    - Dante
      
      What???
  - Ichan
    
    Funny that you mention that.
    
    Provide some extensions that I can test out in Firefox.
    Go on. (Then I’ll delete it from the system after I’ve had my fun in 2 seconds)
  - Mike
    
    Sir, you are an idiot.
    Firefix has Adblock, where adverts are blocked locally. Opera has CONTENT block, where ANY data won’t be downloaded from that server. That alone makes it 10x better than AdBlock+
    Fixfix has NoScript, which blocks scripts, Opera has Site Preferences that allow you to block scripts, block plugins, block images, block animations, block sounds etc.
    Opera has a system of whitelisting or blacklisting for both of these. You can globally block all javascript and allow only a few sites you trust, or you can allow javascript and block the few you don’t. Your choice…
    It may not always be as easy to setup Opera, but the built in implementations that Opera provides is 100x more powerful than what Firefix plugins offer.
    
    If you want an idiot brower, stick with Firefix, if you want a powerful browser, try Opera.
    - nobody
      
      buahahahahaha x2 :)
      
      content blocker? adblock downloading blocked stuff? sir, you know nothing about what you are talking about..
      
      and the worst part of it is that you write this rubbish and believe in it
      
      go educate yourself
    - nvm
      
      Nobbie says “go educate yourself.”
      The irony of that statement deserves a moment of silence for nobbie to ponder upon how he’s asking others to do what he refuses to do himself.
nvm

opera desktop not only is not growing, but it have lost some users this time

Nobbie is at it again. If you read the report, it’s due to seasonal variations. Firefox has the same thing. But as reported in the very same report you commented on without reading, the numbers are back to climbing again in August.
But hey, never mind the facts.
- nobody
  
  there is no proof in the report that supports your crazy claims
  - nvm
    
    You don’t trust the numbers from Opera in the first place, so your hypocrisy is really being shown off here. You didn’t even bother to read the report before commenting.
    - nobody
      
      there is no proof in the report that supports your crazy claims.
      
      state the source instead of avoiding it
    - nvm
      
      Pearls before swine, etc.
    - nobody
      
      so you spew bullsheet and when asked for sources youd do everything to avoid saying it was pulled out of your ass..
    - nvm
      
      No, I correct your constant flood of manure. But since I know that you are impervious to facts and will only move the goalpost, I can’t be bothered to give you the specific details.
    - nobody
      
      as for today you havent ever presented anything that can be called ‘facts’ or links or sources so..
      
      so you spew bullsheet and when asked for sources youd do everything to avoid saying it was pulled out of your ass..
    - nvm
      
      I have already told you regarding sources: Pearls before swine.
      I have repeatedly embarrassed you by pointing out your constant flood of errors.
    - nobody
      
      well.. here we go again:
      
      as for today you havent ever presented anything that can be called ‘facts’ or links or sources so..
      
      so you spew bullsheet and when asked for sources youd do everything to avoid saying it was pulled out of your ass..
    - nvm
      
      Pearls. Before. Swine.
Daniel Hendrycks

“that theyll ignore that opera is the last browser without extensions”
Lynx? (Not serious)
“that theyll ignore that opera is the last browser without extensions”
I do agree, Opera does not have extensions (as seen in FF, Chrome); find someone who says they do.
“without proper developer tools”
I like it better than Chrome’s, element highlighter is by far my favorite feature; does Firebug have it (I would not know, 4.0 does not have the extension working).
“if most major pages simply do not work with opera”
Actually, site compatibility is great. Like Facebook, there really aren’t any issues anymore, from what I see.
- http://my.opera.com/rafaelluik Rafael
  
  “Opera does not have extensions (as seen in FF, Chrome).”
  Actually Chrome and Safari extensions need to evolve a lot to become real extensions. Look what kinds of extensions Chrome has! Extension to add custom searches to the context menu and other things you can do in Opera without extensions – as aways.

http://Operaner.net Andylee

hmm… I’m surely not happy about it, but I have to admit that nobody is right in several of his points.
–the user base on the desktop DID shrink this time.
–Opera’s market share IS very low (although nobody is wrong with 1-2, because it is 2-3%)
–Opera’s dev tool(s?) is crap. or wait… not crap, but it is more like… not functional for a real developer. it helps if you just want to just look up some simple information about the site you are on, but that’s it… it’s not really a dev tool at all for me. In this case, I really prefer the Firebug-extension to mozilla browsers (here: seamonkey)
–Some features in Opera are VERY basic (like the torrent-downloader or the mentioned dev tools)
But in the end, nobody just overdoes it like it happens so often if somebody (not necessarily nobody :-D) wants to force reality to be what one wants it to be:
–Opera had a facelift on all platforms with 10.50.
–Opera is constantly adding features to the feature set (latest: Unite, block-list synchronisation coming in 10.70, html-mails in 10.00 or something….)
–The market share is or was growing over the last 2 years by about 0.4% or something like that… a very minor growth, I know.
–Opera is very small on the desktop, but a big player on mobile devices (market leader, in fact). I saw stats that showed opera mini as responsible for 0.6+% of all website requests worldwide and opera mobile wasn’t even added to that.
–Opera IS extensible by many ways, but most of them are a little bit (or much too) complicated for most of the users, so they are not very well known (userjs and stuff), but Unite for example is very easy way to extend the browser dramatically.
So please stop this dark side/bright side war and just get back on the ground of reality: no software is perfect and no software suits everybody. Opera included.
Opera Campus Crew Vienna

nobody

- unite cant extend opera in any meaningfull way – it has terrible UI potential, cant do much more beside various sharing stuff and as market has spoken – it has zero adoption rate (two months in a row without new unite apps?)

- when was the newest phone with opera mobile released? in 2008? it looks like as opera mobile is in some kind of clinic death :/

- opera ui is great, opera speed is great. but it is a very fast, very pretty car with no AC, no ABS, no catalitic converter and no rewerse gear, no trunk for YOUT stuff etc.. 10.50 facelift was a GUI facelift, old functionalities were not affected and changed/fixed

- features that opera adds are equivalent of simple, very simple and basic extensions. nothing to brag about i have to say. unite was a big thing, but it flopped entirely and market sees it as useless, block-list sync is a 10-liner built up on existing sync framework, this took no more than few hours of work, included all QA and translations, and html-mails.. this was SOOOOO overdue, that idnt call it really a new feature. opera was at least 5 years late with it..
- http://Operaner.net Andylee
  
  Read the report linked in the news. -.-
  Opera is steadily releasing new phones with Opera mobile.
  - nobody
    
    ive read it, and there is no mention of any details about phones.
    
    there are ‘contracts’ cited, with htc, sammy etc. but it so happen that im a smartphone geek and touched or owned almost all new models. none of phones released after spring 2009 had opera mobile.
    
    opera mini – sometimes re branded for carriers – yes, opera mobile – nope
- nvm
  
  when was the newest phone with opera mobile released? in 2008?
  
  Why don’t you read the report instead of embarrassing yourself, nobbie? It even has a list of phones released in Q2 featuring Opera Mobile.
  - nobody
    
    i just wasted another 3 minutes of my life reading it again and the list ISNT THERE
    
    link, and page number, now
    - nobody
      
      report doesnt have it, but presentation does.
      
      what a stellar list of successes there: phones from casio, sharp, kyocera and toshiba were released in 2010Q2. few minutes of reading the web and all of them are in the middle of low-end tier.. what a fantastic success
    - nvm
      
      Nobbie is moving the goalpost. So what else is new? Cherry-picking information and lying about Opera. All in a day’s work for nobbie the fanboy.
    - nobody
      
      it wasnt in the report as youve claimed, but in the corresponding presentation that you HAVENT mentioned. so shut up.
      
      and like 9 new phones, when opera shipped 100′ in 2007 and 2008 is rather dramatic turnaround
    - nvm
      
      Nobbie, nobbie, nobbie. It isn’t my fault that you can’t be bothered to actually read through the available material. You aren’t even man enough to admit that you were wrong about no phones being released with Opera Mobile since 2008. Now you know why I can’t be bothered to give you specific information. Pearls before swine. You’ll gladly ignore it and rant on with your Firefox fanboyism and irrational hatred of Opera.
    - nobody
      
      it wasnt in the report as youve claimed, but in the corresponding presentation that you HAVENT mentioned. so shut up.
    - nvm
      
      When Opera reports on its financial results, there are at least three parts:
      1. The detailed report
      2. The written presentation
      3. The live presentation
      All of these contain information. And you will start spewing manure without looking at either.
    - nobody
      
      i will not qoute you, but you told SPECIFICALLY about “REPORT” so..
      
      it wasnt in the report as youve claimed, but in the corresponding presentation that you HAVENT mentioned. so shut up.
    - nvm
      
      The quarterly report includes the three things I mentioned. It isn’t my fault that you can’t be bothered to look it up. Never mind the fact that you are just trying to get away from the fact that your ignorance was exposed again.
    - nobody
      
      here we go again:
      
      i will not qoute you, but you told SPECIFICALLY about “REPORT” so..
      
      it wasnt in the report as youve claimed, but in the corresponding presentation that you HAVENT mentioned. so shut up.
    - nvm
      
      They report on the financial results each quarter. But hey, keep trollin’.
Dante

“The market share is or was growing over the last 2 years by about 0.4% or something like that… a very minor growth, I know.”
Don`t forget that global market share is grown too. From 1.6 billions in 2009 to 1.96 billions internet users in 2010.
Mike

Try Dragonfly, Opera’s built in tool, it’s WAY better than Firebug and OpenSource too… It can also debug mobile applications too.
- nobody
  
  buahahahahahaha :)
  
  sir, please, educate yourself
nvm

The user base is back to growing now because the “shrinking” was just a seasonal variation, the same as Firefox is seeing.
Opera’s dev tool has more than 100K daily users apparently.
- nobody
  
  the user base shrink is larger than firefox dips, and it happened not when people went back to school, when ie always grows up. people are flocking to quality offerings of chrome and firefox
  
  and if you think that number of guilible people using dragonfly is telling.. well, most of them think that dev tools are there to highlight some stuff. live your life of ignorance longer.
  - nvm
    
    Nobbie is constantly changing his arguments as his claims are being struck down one by one. It’s called moving the goalpost. It’s the true sign of someone who has argued himself into a corner, and is desperate to get out.
    The simple fact is that it was a temporary and seasonal dip, and the numbers are up again in August.
    And according to nobbie, more than 100K people are “gullible” for using Dragonfly… Yeah, that must be it. It can’t possibly be that nobbie is just blowing hot smoke as always.
    - nobody
      
      blaaa bla bla
      
      any webdeveloper that is paid for his job knows that dragonfly is a crap, and using it is wasting of time and in effect – money.
      
      temporary seasonal dip? strange that on older user charts there is no ‘seasonal dip’ in 2009. and where are the august numbers? link please troll
    - nvm
      
      Nobbie is at it again. Moving the goalpost. Too much of a coward to admit that he was wrong. Desperately trying to dance around his obvious contradictions and factual errors.
      Funny how he rejects the numbers from Opera out of hand, but then cites the same numbers to “prove” that Opera is losing users. Never mind the fact that in the very same presentation, they said that the user numbers were up again in August. Hence, the comment about seasonal dip.
      And nobbie can’t get away from the 100K daily DF users. Desperate, desperate, desperate.
    - nobody
      
      blaaa bla bla bla…
      
      what are you saying again? that 100k user use DF? for work? or for laughter?
      
      where is the source, that numbers are up again? in jul 2010 opera had (according to their data) 47mln users, in january 2010 it had 48mln, so this ‘seasonal dip’ is half year wide. and there were no seasonal dips in the previous years, so what kind of season it is?
      
      august numbers source – now
    - nvm
      
      They have reported 100K daily users of DF. That’s just a fact.
      The source that the numbers are up again in August is Opera. If you had actually paid attention to their quarterly results report, you would have known that.
      Funny how you reject the numbers from Opera out of hand, but then cite the same numbers to “prove” that Opera is losing users. I don’t think I have ever seen a hypocrite as big as you!
      Never mind the fact that in the very same presentation, they said that the user numbers were up again in August. Hence, the comment about seasonal dip.
    - nobody
      
      yeah, ive read these 100k users, but i just wonder what is that people use it for. because it is useless in its current form.
      
      this is something that you will not understand even if it was written on the sky with capital letters. dragonfly makes professionals laugh.
      
      and august numbers – what are these numbers? higher than january? higher than february? or have you believed another vague statement by haavard?
      
      i repeat once again – july numbers were lower than january numbers – so is this dip half year wide or what? or maybe there is no ‘seasonal change’ but ‘a change’?
      
      and what you are talking certainly isnt pearls..
    - nvm
      
      It is clearly not useless if 100K people use it actively every day.
      Also, you haven’t explained yet why you reject the numbers from Opera out of hand, but then cite the same numbers to “prove” that Opera is losing users.
    - nobody
      
      you havent told me what is the opera’ methodology of counting these active users yet.. so well..
      
      “”It is clearly not useless if 100K people use it actively every day.”"
      
      i’d like a source link for this ‘use it actively every day’ part, because this is stretching what was said by opera BY A LARGE MARGIN
    - nvm
      
      Pearls before swine. And they reported 100K active users every day. But you only accept numbers from Opera when they go down (hypocrite). LOL.

Somebody

Hey, but isn’t nobody the guy who always claims that Opera lies about their number of users? So why does he believe them when they say their user base decreased this time? If the same report had said that the user base had doubled , he would come out saying Opera lies about their users.

nobody

opere NEVER presented their way of calculating these figures. NEVER.
- http://www.sumake.eu narzędzia pneumatyczne
  
  Nobody cares about Opera
  :P
  nice joke, isn’t it?
  ;)
- nvm
  
  Opera did explain how they count their users, but nobbie is, as always, uninformed.
  - nobody
    
    link. go on, give it, now.
    - nvm
      
      Of course I won’t. You can’t even be bothered to accept information when given to you, so I won’t even bother. If you want to know, find it yourself. If you are that desperate to know, you’ll make an effort to learn something for once, instead of looking the fool again.
    - nobody
      
      this information does not exist and you are pulling it out of your ass. the only place where opera opened their mouth was Haavard’s blog, and even there he was VERY vague and unspecific, and directly avoided all further questions.
      
      this information DOES NOT EXIST. it was never disclosed and never audited.
    - Dante
      
      Opera count users via automatic downloading browser.js and request for new versions. Count Opera Mini users is very simple. Every requests go to Opera servers.
      This numbers are more exactly than numbers witch provide few American statistics from millions page views.
    - nvm
      
      Nobbie claims that the information does not exist, despite the fact that he has no clue about whether it exists or not. Because if he did, he wouldn’t have been denying the facts right here.
      You are embarrassing yourself again, nobbie. I feel sorry for you.
      Funny how you reject the numbers from Opera out of hand, but then cite the same numbers to “prove” that Opera is losing users. Hilarious! How desperate can you get, nobbie?
    - nobody
      
      there is no such information. you, and your pall – nelson aka ‘many other nicknames, lately purdi’ both claimed that it does, but NEVER ever stated the source.
      
      opera (spokeperson?) haavard claimed, that it has something to do with browser.js etc, but he a) is not a technical person so he probably guessed b) refused outright to give any more details – so most probably knows jack sh.. about it anyway
    - nvm
      
      There is such information out there, but one cannot expect you to know about it. After all, ignorance is your middle name.
      Someone in QA is not a technical person? Interesting claim. Goes to show how knowledgeable you are.
    - nobody
      
      this information does not exist and you are pulling it out of your ass. the only place where opera opened their mouth was Haavard’s blog, and even there he was VERY vague and unspecific, and directly avoided all further questions.
      
      this information DOES NOT EXIST. it was never disclosed and never audited.
      
      if it did exist, you would long ago pulled it to have your ‘ta daaaam’ moment
    - nvm
      
      The information does exist, but pearls before swine and all that.
      Funny how you were once again exposed. Claiming that someone who works with QA is not technical… LOL, nobbie. That’s a new low even for you.
    - nobody
      
      here we go again:
      
      this information does not exist and you are pulling it out of your ass. the only place where opera opened their mouth was Haavard’s blog, and even there he was VERY vague and unspecific, and directly avoided all further questions.
      this information DOES NOT EXIST. it was never disclosed and never audited.
      
      if it did exist, you would long ago pulled it to have your ‘ta daaaam’ moment
      
      ps. if Haavard is technical he certainly would not have been wasting his time as a forum moderator, opera blog poster and comments moderator. these ARE NOT TASKS OF technical staff as they require no spec knowledge, experience nor skills.
      he works in QA department, yes, but from what he does he is certainly not a programmer nor architect… so there is little chance that he knows and/or understands everything
    - nvm
      
      The information does exist, but “pearls before swine”, LOL.
      Keep claiming that QA people aren’t technical. Yet another failure from nobbie LOL.
      QA engineers aren’t usually developers. They do testing and create systems and methods to find and prevent bugs. They are most definitely technical because their job requires deep knowledge of the application they are doing QA on. The guy’s blog clearly says it’s his personal blog and not an official one. But hey, keep failin’, LOL.

okokokok

Opera’s arogance is like Apple. Oh, we did it first, no we wont admit that we screwed up and will do that our own way

Except that Apple is growing and Opera is not

Armin

Opera being compared to Apple. That’s a first for me! :-P
http://Operaner.net Andylee

OMG!
wait a moment… Opera being compared to apple… ahhhh… no. -.-
When did Opera behave as arrogant as Apple (you are holding it wrong?)?
When did Opera fire an employee because of talking about what will or might be in the next versions? (apple fires employees for a “hands on” a new ipad 2 hours before official release!)
Opera is mainly produced in China by kind of Slave-workers in the facilities of Foxconn? (No, this is apple, Opera’s main development sites are in Poland, the Cech Republic, Norway, Sweden…)
Which of the two companies has something like a messiah hopping on stage for product presentation? (ok, Opera has this 2 guys frying a potato… well…)
There would be stuff to go on for hours, but I think even this shows that maybe the only similarity between Opera and Apple is the Closed source nature of their software….
- okokokok
  
  We did it first
  We did it first
  
  Opera fanboys are the worst
  
  http://www.forbes.com/2010/08/17/apple-microsoft-google-technology-cio-network-fanboys.html
  
  Their passion knows no bounds (see 25 signs That You Might Be An Apple Fanboy) as they believe Apple products are the perfect solution for every application. They simply cannot believe anyone wouldn’t like the iWhatever.
  
  Replace Apple with Opera
  - okokokok
    
    Their favorite rejoinder to any perceived criticism is, “I don’t know why people who have never owned or used an iWhatever wrongly believe … ” Never having used an Apple product is the only logical reason people couldn’t love it, after all.
    - nvm
      
      Sounds like you are a fanboy yourself. Double standards rock!
  - nvm
    
    What’s with the “we did it first” nonsense?
nvm

So Opera is arrogant because its users are loyal? Interesting leap of logic…
Opera is growing. This quarter is the best quarter they have ever presented. Opera Mini in particular is growing like crazy, and is the dominant mobile browser.
You need to check the facts, dude.
- nobody
  
  best quarter ever? go lear to read:
  
  -2% Q to Q
  -4% H to H
  
  best quarter my ass
  - nvm
    
    Nobbie “forgot” to read all the available information again. He doesn’t understand what “best quarter” means. I won’t bother explaining it to him because he is impervious to actual data.
    - nobody
      
      if this quarter is worse than previous one, then it is quite obvious that ‘best’ would be the last one.
      
      and this quarter certainly is worse than previous one, so what you were smoking again?
    - nvm
      
      This quarter is not worse than the previous one. I suggest that you pay attention to the quarterly report for more details on that.
    - nobody
      
      buuuull..
      
      if this quarter is 2% worse than previous one and this H is 4% worse than previous one then well..
      
      or maybe you suddenly started calling black.. you know white?
    - nvm
      
      You clearly didn’t bother to read the material from the quarterly results. As expected. Just confirms the pearls before swine thing. I mean, I have done everything, except give you the exact page numbers or minutes in the video… But when someone refuses to escape from his ignorance, what can you do?
    - nobody
      
      bullshit
      
      if this quarter is 2% worse than previous one and this H is 4% worse than previous one then this certainly WASNT the ‘best quarter ever’
      
      twist this as much as you want, but you cant twist that
    - nvm
      
      Nobbie needs to pay attention instead of exploding in obsessive rage over Opera. LOL.
      Watch the report. Or don’t, and remain your usual ignorant self.

http://www.sumake.eu narzędzia pneumatyczne

@nobody
one thing – you can say whatever you want about Opera and FF I don’t care. My browser of choice depends only on my personal empirical experience. And I can tell you one thing:

At this moment I have FF and Opera opened. FF with 19 tabs opened. And it is terribly slow in terms of responsiveness – acts sluggish in general (switching tabs, posting forms, even scrolling up/down).
I have 6 extensions installed (Firebug, WebDev toolbar, Firephp, Speeddial, Adblock, LiveHttp headers).
In Opera I have two windows opened (with 39 tabs) and it works flawlessly – its fast, responsive and it doesn’t choke with every keyboard shortcut. My personal satisfaction from working with Opera is much better.
Maybe you are right with some points. But for me it always will be Opera. And I don’t care about those extensions. There are other browsers, let them have it :P

nobody

and how do you cope with pages that simply do not work in opera? with stuff like facebook chat/tag/mention do not working? gmail not working? ms services not working? etc? how does this affect your satisfaction?

and before you mention browser sniffing – i point you to sitepatching blog on my.opera, where opera devs disclose whats and whys of browser.js patches. guess, how many out of 11 new patches in this week update are due to browser sniffing and how many because of opera shortcommings?

nope. 10 are opera’s fault. 1 is sniffing.

btw as a side note – live headers can decrease performance, it is dev extension and if you are not using it on daily basis, better disable it as it affects performance.

btw2 – in other thread you was quite entusiastic about tab candy in new firefox beta (lost the link..) are you still? do you still believe, that opera ways of doing it (multiple windows brrrr) is equivalent?
- http://www.sumake.eu narzędzia warsztatowe
  
  I’m not using facebook, but I guess this might be pain in the ass indeed.
  Last time I checked gmail with 10.60 I haven’t had any problems.
  I’ll try to disable live headers indeed. Thx for a tip.
  About tab candy. I’m still enthusiastic. But today I started to wonder how it would be when I would start using FF as Opera (I mean lots of tabs). At the moment I have 63 tabs opened in 3 windows. I just wonder how would it look like in tab candy. Demos shows only about 8 – 12 tabs. But for 63 ??
  From the other side there is a nice feature to put some of them on a pile. When it will appear in a final I’ll give it a try for sure.
  - http://www.sumake.eu narzędzia warsztatowe
    
    I’ve had a moment when I was extremely mad on Opera. It was when I find out multi window session restart crash. They keep me waiting for I don’t remember – 2 months? I of course filled few bug reports, send few memory dumps etc. I even tried to find another browser but I couldn’t find any. I give up with multi-window, but then finally with 10.5x they fixed it :)
    Its really personal pros and cons thing. Depends strongly on personality, habits, sites you surf, type of work, and lots of, lots of other stuff. And even if I agree with you on some points, it just cannot change my attitude towards the Big Red “O”. :)
- nvm
  
  Nobbie, nobbie, nobbie.
  What do you do wit pages that simply do not work in Firefox? There are quite a few of them. Only Chrome handles pages beautifully and without problems.
  Firefox fanboyism is a disease.
  As for browser patching, that’s updated separately from the list of spoofing sites. The actual list of spoofs contains dozens of domains.
  And no, not all things that are actually patched are Opera’s fault.
  - nobody
    
    list these pages that do not work in firefox
    
    given that you know nothing on JS and patching, ill let your ignorance and stupidity on this topic reign supreme. but out of latest 3 updates like 90% patches are due to opera bugs and inconsistencies with other browsers. only 10% are atributed to pages themselves. if that isnt convincing then, well, there is always place for people that claim white is black
    - Dante
      
      BrowserJS are patches for bad coded sites. BrowserJS standing upon browser core and fixing page bugs. If it was Opera bug than they it will be fix browser core.
    - nvm
      
      I know from experience that you will not bother to educate yourself, so I’ll not throw pearls before swine. Find them yourself. It’s trivially easy.
      As for your comment about Opera’s site patches, it reeks of the ignorance we’ve come to expect from you.
    - nobody
      
      one bullshit chasing another
      browser.js – http://my.opera.com/sitepatching/blog/ – this is official opera blog on browser.js – it lists why certain patches were made. go read it yourself Dante and see how far off you are from reality. most browser.js patches currently are fixes for opera’ OWN bugs
      
      and you nvw? list some pages that fail in firefox. even the hardest and most blind opera fanatics know, that it is something very rare to see. you know it also, but it is hard to stop being troll, isnt it?
      
      about ignorance, buaaahaahahahahaa..
    - nvm
      
      Pearls before swine…
    - Dante
      
      “one bullshit chasing another”
      Did I wrote something different or something like you?
      “most browser.js patches currently are fixes for opera’ OWN bugs”
      Most? You count it? Try to look for Removed patches. Half of it are removed for site changes and half are removed for core changes.
    - nobody
      
      just read it Dante – added patches, just look what is added these days.
      
      if you dont want to accept the facts, let it be
    - Dante
      
      Don`t forget to Opera override file.
- http://www.browser-fuchs.de Spaceball
  
  gmail does not work in Opera? I use gmail for years now and I never had a single problem using gmail in Opera! gmail did not properly work in the beginning. That was years ago!
  http://operawatch.com/news/2005/03/gmail-now-fully-compatible-with-opera.html
  - nobody
    
    yeah, 2005.
    
    since then gmail chat barely worked, task pane cant be reopened after maximizing and closing and almost each change on the google side made gmail rever to plain-poors-man version.
    
    but yes, it ‘works’ just great. try it out in other browser to check if you are seeing all features
    - http://www.browser-fuchs.de Spaceball
      
      I just tested gmail Chat with Iron, Firefox and Opera. Same amount of functions and it works fine in Opera. The task pane can be reopened after maximizing and closing without any problems.

misery date

Reeeeow! Nobody’s got a grudge.

nvm

Nobbie is a Firefox fanboy who has been obsessing over Opera for ages. One has to wonder what his problem is.
- nobody
  
  and you nvw are MY fanboi, because you go everywhere i post anything and take your time to comment.
  
  you are my greatest fan
  - nvm
    
    On the contrary, I ignore most of your drivel, but can’t resist the temptation to embarrass you in front of everyone.
    For example when you reject the numbers from Opera out of hand, but then cite the same numbers to “prove” that Opera is losing users. Hilarious! So which one is it, are the numbers from Opera correct or not? Do you accept them or not?
    You can’t reject them first, and then suddenly accept them when it’s convenient for your irrational Opera hatred.
    - nobody
      
      you are my greatest fan
    - nvm
      
      You are your greatest enemy.
    - nobody
      
      you are my greatest fan.
      
      probably will throw a facebook page just to make a trolling guide using your quotes and style.
      
      you could then friend it, and invite your various other personalities and aliases, what a party..
      
      you deveote quite a lot of time to ‘contribute’, just to stalk me and comment EVERY single on of my posts. hidden lover are you?
    - nvm
      
      At least I’m not the one obsessing over Opera 24/7, LOL. Talk about having a life…

Stve

nobody needs to get a life,
he seems obsessed with Opera. I bet he has an Opera doll he sticks pins in.
He talks an awful lot its a pity none of it is worth reading .

nobody

my second fan!
- nvm
  
  I’m apparently not the only one who has noticed your obsession with Opera. Poor nobbie.
- Stve
  
  What a fantasy world you live in if you think I’m a fan.
  - nobody
    
    you take your time to comment on me personally unprovoked, that is enough in my book
    
    if youd comment on what i say, and there is alot, because others somehow managed to make a civilized discussion it would be another matter..
    - Stve
      
      get a life Firefox & Opera are browsers not a religion.
    - Dante
      
      Not a religion? I don`t know: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Book_of_Mozilla
    - nvm
      
      Others manage to have a civilized discussion, nobbie, but never you, LOL.

sirnh1

“browser without extensionss”
Well, you can ‘extend’ opera through unite, userjs, usercss, you can create own buttons.
“without proper developer tools”
Dragonfly is way better then what I find available in chrome and safari, more usefull (and stable) then IE developer tools (IE developer tools are either crashing, not responding, showing the print css as ‘active’ on any normal websites, etc…).
“stagnant feature set”
You don’t know what you are talking about, do you? Maybe you should try opera before saying something? Opera invented opera unite, turbo, Opera Scroll Marker, etc… (full list on what features opera added in each version on http://www.opera.com/docs/history/#o1060 and you’ll see that Opera 10, for example, added Integrated crashlogging tool, HTML authoring in Mail client, etc…)

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