How To “Fix” Firefox Memory Leaks

Because it is not.

Have you even used Opera ?

Have you followed the forums?

(Sorry you can’t as Opera Mods Delete them as soon as they are opened)

Ahh man. Believing in the bull that Opera feeds it’s consumers. SO you are telling me if I have 8gigs of ram it is totally acceptable for Opera to leak 1GB? Even use 400MB. That is totally unacceptable. Nothing uses ram like that. It’s a browser  (fine Internet Suite) for Gods sake.

Give it a minute it will disappear soon. I do not know about you @kramsno:disqus but Il’ve been following Opera threads a long time and as soon as there is any flack they bring in the nerd force.

Mmh, bad phrasing. With (like he did) I meant to indicate he attacked the persoon too.

Oh, ok. You are a liar, a troll, a whiner and a retard. But, please, don’t consider this as a personal attack. Now go to bed, it’s well past 7.
Please reply as much and as lengthy as possible, I won’t be reading it.
Idiot.

Heh. You are clearly a bit slow. He was being sarcastic. It was a response to your claim that there are not personal attacks, so he pointed out, in a sarcastic way, that the things he called you were not personal attacks according to you.

So not only do you know nothing about memory handling in software, but you aren’t even able to understand simple points like his.

Ooh, internet tough guy! You must feel very proud of yourself, hiding behind your screen while making threats.

And you aren’t truly so ignorant as to think that all a browser does is to “translate HTML and CSS”? Today’s sites are extremely complex, with lots of code and advanced techniques. You seem to think it’s just as easy as displaying a plain text file!

Ignorance is bliss.

By the way, if I saw you on the street, I would just ignore you like I ignore other crazy people. But on the web, crazy people are posting for the world to see, and that makes it important to correct them from time to time.

I’m sorry but why do Opera users always defend it’s memory usage? If a software uses 1Gig from an available pool (providing it is not an intensive application) then yes it is a big deal. Call me anything you wish (I wont hold it against you), but Opera has broken memory management period.

You are doing the exact same thing then.

Please take a step AWAY from your OPERA and look at its flaws. Take OFF the ROSE coloured GLASSES.

You are contemplating that it is alright for a simple browser to take up 1GIG of SPACE. Listen to yourself. In what world is that right. Ludicrous I tells ya!

Opera the pig of memory.

All you are doing is attacking left and right.

Blah blah blah.

No your right. Opera is the only browser of its kind. Its a pig (And a good one at that)

Read further up. I did say that  ” to translate html, css etc.”

Thanks to Opera an it’s great features. If it weren’t for them other browser vendors wouldn’t have any means to ripoff and improve what they neglect.

You lack any means of a real argument. Turn around and bark at me all you wish about memory this and memory that. I stand by what I say. It is an inefficient browser.

You still havent demonstrated that you are a engineer by any means. I don’t understand memory do you?

(Just don’t be the one tooting that Opera improved memory management by 50% in the next version. You know the one’s that exclaimed how Extensions were bad and now kiss Opera shiny rear because they decided to support it.) It’s Opera business model to brainwash their userbase by the means of FUD because they know that they were wrong.

Ahh man. You are like a kindergarten kid that just won’t accept anything. All you do is stick to your “FAIL. You don’t know anything about memory. I am a master of memory” bullsht. “I am the messiah that will save joo from the ignorance. HARR. HARR”

Do you even read? I quoted myself saying that they handle html, css  etc. Sorry if I wasn’t in-depth like you including all the 600 features of javascript. Woop de Doo. Achievement unlocked!

Have fun.

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE read UP.

“But all sorts of advanced stuff”

Care to elaborate. Programmer?

You havent explained anything.

You have resulted to attack and condemn me. What have you added?

When I call you out (instead of explaining) you run away and dismiss the question.

I ask you again “How do you know all this? Are you a software engineer? Do you programme for a living? Do you have indepth knowledge of memory?”

Why are you doing all this?

“You are contemplating that it is alright for a simple browser to take up 1GIG of SPACE.”

Oh dear God – *flails* – memory does not take up “space”! You were doing OK until that. The program takes up space – on your hard drive – but not the memory it uses (unless you’re counting how it swaps out to hard drive, which doesn’t count, since swap space isn’t permanently assigned to any one external program, like say, Opera). But that aside, you have a good point. But have you looked at Opera lately? It’s bloated. It comes with like 3,000 things almost no one needs or uses these days, so I guess that all uses up a lot of memory.

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/2267427

Since those features don’t increase the memory usage noticeably (removing things like mail wouldn’t cause Opera to use less memory), you are missing the mark as always.

Opera Next Latest Version (After a warm start / Second Run)

2011-06-18 06:35:48.890  18 ms – ++++ MailEngineGlue::Init completed2011-06-18 06:35:48.890  18 ms – +++ Mail::Start completed2011-06-18 06:35:48.890  18 ms – ++ Mail

Deny That.

Best Case:

2011-06-18 06:39:29.752 0 ms – +++++ Init Mail Base
2011-06-18 06:39:29.752 0 ms – +++++ Init Message Id Index
2011-06-18 06:39:29.752 0 ms – ++++++ Init chat rooms model
2011-06-18 06:39:29.752 0 ms – ++++++ Init accounts model
2011-06-18 06:39:29.753 1 ms – ++++++ Init accounts manager
2011-06-18 06:39:29.753 1 ms – +++++ Init mail root dir completed
2011-06-18 06:39:29.753 1 ms – ++++ MailEngineGlue::Init completed
2011-06-18 06:39:29.753 1 ms – +++ Mail::Start completed
2011-06-18 06:39:29.753 1 ms – ++ Mail

But it is still taking resources even though you claim that it will not.

It’s not a matter of if you can notice the Millisecs but rather if it is taking resources. For the programme to initialize mail means it is taking resources how little they may be.

Someone that doesnt accept the error of their ways has no right to call someone else a liar

Oh My God! 80 ms! What a catastrophy! But why are you talking about startup time when the discussion was about memory? Dishonesty, of course.

Also, you are dishonestly ignoring my point: You won’t notice anything if you remove mail. It might save you a couple of theoretical ms when starting Opera, but that is not noticeable in reality.

Oh noes, I am way off the mark here – but nope, not really. Consider all the crap Opera comes with – Unite – Widgets – Turbo – Dragonfly – email – download manager – script manager – extensive tab/cache management, and so on. My take on it is it’s all interacting/working together poorly, causing memory overruns. Same shit as Firefox: the more add-ons, plugins, chrome and and other crap you pile on the more RAM it uses – period. And on older systems, netbooks and other low-RAM devices, yes, this will make a big, big difference. But thanks all the same for your *opinion*. When you can tell me you’re an Opera dev – and actually prove it – hey, maybe I’ll start taking notes.

No, features that don’t affect you in any noticeable way if you don’t use them are not bloat. The fact is that Opera is smaller than the other browsers despite having more features. That is the opposite of bloat.

No, those features that you don’t use won’t affect you in any noticeable way. The Opera devs have stated this numerous times, so you are just making false statements.

You are clueless, so what you consider to be “too aggressive” is irrelevant.

Look you are being unreasonable.

I am providing evidence whereas you just type useless comments.

Are you saying it takes no amount of memory to initialize mail?

You know, you don’t read for context, do you? I didn’t tell you I was “considering” anything; I asked *you* to “consider” the full extent of Opera’s useless bloat  – two different statements altogether, but you see only what you want you to see, which like most other things you pop off with in this thread, is completely rude and inconsiderate of you.

Similarly, I didn’t say that I “feel” ny features don’t belong in Opera – you’re pulling that out of thin air  – both the word “feel” and how I worded it beyond that. I said there’s a bunch of crap in Opera no one uses and that my *take* on it is it might be contributing to some memory overruns. I based that on my observation that Firefox has more out-of-the-box features than ever before and uses more RAM now as a result.  But I didn’t say anyone should take the extra features out of Opera. I personally don’t give a crap if the Opera devs add more bloat in future releases; I don’t use Opera except to test websites, which brings me to another remarkable point:

The Opera devs have stated *numerous things* numerous times, so their word is as good as dirt in my eyes. For instance, they have stated numerous times that Opera has the “best” CSS handling of any browser. Bullshit. They have the worst – worse than IE’s. To this day Opera cannot scale font sizes nor position simple little list images correctly. Their engine mimics Trident pre-IE 9 only worse in certain respects, but Opera devs won’t mess with how Opera renders because, hey, they have stated *numerous times* that it has the *best* CSS handling, so they don’t care what anyone says now.

They can keep talking to themselves because I’m not listening anymore; I’ll stick with Firefox’s superior CSS rendering and everything else that’s better, from appearance to cache management to add-ons, thank you very much.

I do not know if I laugh or just feel sorry

http://my.opera.com/desktopteam/blog/2011/06/14/happy-tuesday

“There are some performance and memory usage improvements in this build, the highlight here is a big speed up for parseInt.” (- lol spelt it wrong)

Yes I should have known. You are too blinded by the ignorance.

Since it is nearly impossible to reply to all your messages, I would give my final reply here.

You are blinded by the fact that you choose ignorance over truth. You believe a company that has had trouble and often times lied. You have a company that has denied features telling its base how useless or inefficient it is to include, yet include those same features in near releases.

You are right. You win. In your eyes Opera is the messiah. I can’t do any wrong.

Ask yourself this. If Opera were really that good then where is the userbase? Majority of it is in Europe. Is it because of Advertising? Or is it because of the simple fact that they ignore their userbase and introduce and fix things when they deem is necessary?

Your average user just wants to get on the internet. They do not care for extensions, unite, widgets, mail, IRC, Torrent support for just that purpose alone. But let me tell you. They REALLY care about the memory usage.

That last post linking to the desktop team adds this: “If ram is there to be used infinitely, then why is Opera themselves improving memory usage”? – Contradictory, No?