Comments on: Will Firefox Lose Its Users?

By: Armin

Armin — Mon, 06 Apr 2009 13:18:27 +0000

Just because Opera works with Google I don’t like his policy. Maybe it sounds retarded for the people but i hate this company.

By: Opera Doesn’t Respect Users (aka Lost Vision)?

Opera Doesn’t Respect Users (aka Lost Vision)? — Thu, 26 Jun 2008 16:49:46 +0000

[...] Users (aka Lost Vision)?June 26, 2008Some time ago there were some Mozilla bashing regarding users tracking and disrespect. Well, today I’d like to criticize Opera Software a [...]

By: Morbus

Morbus — Fri, 23 May 2008 15:54:20 +0000

That was my point. It’s not faster than Firefox 3. Check the benchmarks. More secure? I don’t know, really, as I haven’t paid much attention to secunia reports and whatnot, but I’d say they are both very secure, and Firefox is more when you get NoScript and AdBlock Plus… It’s also heavier than Firefox 3, check the benchmarks.

Some Opera features are copied by some Fx extensions. Say SecureLogin, All-in-one-sidebar or Flashblock. That’s because Opera has some nice features. Thing is, Firefox also has them, and sometimes better… All-in-on-sidebar sure is better…

By: Mancho

Mancho — Fri, 23 May 2008 15:32:19 +0000

The only problem I have is with your initial claim that Opera doesn’t have the features that you listed. Your further effort to clarify that position hasn’t really helped your argument. And if you think that the only argument for Opera being better than FF is the claim that it has more features, you haven’t paid attention to the arguments. Most people use Opera for a multitude of reasons. It is faster (check the benchmarks), more secure, lighter, and has most of the features people want, not to mention some people don’t want to have to look for extensions, and figure out which ones are any good, just to get some functionality out of their browser. (Why do you think so many FF extensions copy Opera functionality?) Is there room for improvement? Certainly. Personally, I think saying one is better than the other is like saying chocolate is better than vanilla. Vanilla being FF, of course. *snicker*

By: Morbus

Morbus — Tue, 20 May 2008 22:05:11 +0000

Sure opera wins as a pack, in terms of features.

But don’t try to “reduce” my arguments. I have my arguments, and they are my own to express, thank you very much. I like Fx because it’s faster, secure, lighter and has all the features and functions I need a web browser to have, and it works the way I want it to. It’s what is most useful for ME, not for somebody else. And in what concerns security risks, I trust approved extensions just as much as I trust the browser itself. As for experimental extensions, I revise their code myself, so I know what I’m dealing with.

No, extensions are not security issues.

My point is, one’s argument that “opera’s better than firefox” boils down to a fact that is wrong, in a way. Opera is better than Firefox because it has more features. That’s not necessarily true, and that’s my argument.

I’m not sure what’s your problem here. Is it me? Am not being communicative enough or am I just missing something that you put the whole “I like FF because I think all of the extensions that I found and installed, that may or may not be a security risk, and that I happen to think are the most useful, are better than what Opera has built in” in my mouth and think you’re right?

By: Mancho

Mancho — Tue, 20 May 2008 19:52:54 +0000

As far as I know FF doesn’t have those features as a “pack” either. You would need to download an extension for most of those features, one by one. I could be wrong though. If you want to compare features as a pack, then Opera wins hands-down, since they’re built into the browser, whereas FF has almost nothing built in. This is neither a good thing or bad thing, only preference. So this really reduces your argument to “I like FF because I think all of the extensions that I found and installed, that may or may not be a security risk, and that I happen to think are the most useful, are better than what Opera has built in.”

Well, contratulations. You have a favorite browser.

By: Morbus

Morbus — Tue, 20 May 2008 19:26:57 +0000

I’m sorry if I wasn’t clear. I didn’t mean that Opera didn’t have ANY of the features or functions I first said in that first list, I meant that it’s a pack of features that is impossible to find somewhere else. I meant the whole, not each one of them in particular. I know Opera has a mail client.

About you know all extensions, it was a jest. No need to get all upset.

By: Mancho

Mancho — Tue, 20 May 2008 16:54:05 +0000

@morbus

I’m not going to dog on Firefox. I love Firefox and it’s ability to extend all kinds of functionality. To call them features is a bit of a reach, but I’ll let it slide. My point was you said Opera doesn’t have those features, which is total BS. Just because you don’t think they are equivalent of the “features” in FF doesn’t mean Opera doesn’t have them.

No, I’m not intimately familiar with every extension available for FF, so to suggest that I might be familiar with what YOU call the best and most useful would be ridiculous. Either you just forgot that you said Opera doesn’t have any of those features, or you’re just dense.

By: Morbus

Morbus — Tue, 20 May 2008 13:26:04 +0000

@ mancho
Opera has it, but it’s not a FireFTP, and FireFTP is a little client, nothing major. About the cookies (and the javascript), how can you compare it to CookieSafe and NoScript? Also, Firefox’s quick search is faster because you only have to drag the word to the quicksearch bar, either searching right away or choosing the search engine. Less clicks, thus I find it easier and simplier. And history search in the adress bar is really cool, but I think it needs working, and Fx3’s “awesome bar” turns out to work better.

And I have looked into Opera, not the lastest, no. Opera 9.20 or something around that. I remember installing 9.10 and then the one after that.

My point is, even though it has many features by default, and it has, always has had and will porbably always have, much more that Firefox (and it’s a wonder, trully, that it stays a small download), Firefox has more when you take extensions into account. And you ahve to take extensions into account because they are taken into account when Firefox is being developed. Opera has a mail client, for example, but what if I don’t want that one, or I don’t want a mail client at all? It’s there for nothing. Same thing happens with other features. They are there, ok, but most people, or at least some won’t need or want them. That’s not a good thing in my eyes. My firefox? Every single feature it has is a feature I use. Lots of extensions, sure, but I use Firefox for many things and in many ways. And that? I can’t do that with any other browser, and I can’t find as many features in any other browser.

I didn’t know of that CSS editor you talk about, and I haven’t explorer the latest Operas in detail (though I installed them for benchmarking purposes), but that doesn’t mean I’m talking for the sake of it…

Because to me, it looks like YOU have never looked at the best and most usefull extensions for firefox. Or it doesn’t look that way, I don’t know… Whatever, each person finds his favorite browser (this site’s called that way, eheh). Some people prefer IE (I don’t know many), others safari, and so on. The way I browse, the way I use my browser, I need firefox and its extensions. And since I can’t find the same functions and features in any other browser, including Opera, I say Firefox has more features than the competition… Maybe I’m wrong in taking addons into account when talking about features, maybe I am, but what really matters to anyone is the final product they are actually using, not how it’s made or how it works. And if my firefox need extensions to work the way I want it to, then I’m ok with it.

@ nobody
Opera lacks manpower… Should I remind everyone why Mozilla moved to open source back in 1998? ;) Yeah, I love the open source.

And I agree with you.

By: nobody

nobody — Tue, 20 May 2008 04:31:43 +0000

well, Opera in fact lacks in many ‘features’ it has. most of them are from previous century and were never upgraded since. like cookie management that needs urgent work etc. firefox, due to extensions development moved to 3rd party, can manage to have them mostly up to date

Opera company simply doesnt have enough manpower to catch up with extension developers. yes, catch up, because Opera is far behind FF in functionality now. due to extensions.

problem is, that Opera is stuborn to NOT adopt extensions, because of some stupid reasons, and is trying to catch up with rendering engine AND dev tools AND functionality from other browsers AND mail client. no company can do it, and opera is no exception. it is a big FAIL as for now. Opera is SLOW compared to FF3, Opera lacks features compared to FF3 (extensions), Opera is not developing fast enough to show any hope of catching up (what new functionalities were added since 9.0? how many USEFULL new extensions were made in that time?) and most of all, Opera is largely ignored by website makers – due to lack of marketshare and stuborn policy of development – lack of ability to bend to ‘industry standards’ when it comes to standard implementation. nobody cares about it, and Opera fails on websites. it is Opera’ fault.