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	<title>Comments on: April, 2009 &#8211; Internet Explorer, Safari, Opera Loses; Firefox, Chrome Gains</title>
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		<title>By: que</title>
		<link>http://www.favbrowser.com/internet-explorer-safari-opera-loses-firefox-chrome-gains/#comment-60755</link>
		<dc:creator>que</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 16:08:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What, he needs to seek mental health for sharing a few actual facts amongh the rampant and frankly pointless speculation?

NA do not have enough data to be statistically viable. And even if they did, their sample is not representative. And even if it was, they have been caught numerous times lying and manipulating data.

Opera IS gaining market share. According to StatCounter, Opera had 1.4% worldwide a year ago. Now it has more than 3%. And the best part is that the 3% figure adds up if you compare Opera&#039;s 40 million desktop users to the total number of people online according to various analysts.

In Europe, Opera had 3-4% a year ago. Now more than 8%.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Opera is stagnant when it comes to market share&lt;/blockquote&gt;
As I have shown, this is a lie. Stop relying on Net Applications.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What, he needs to seek mental health for sharing a few actual facts amongh the rampant and frankly pointless speculation?</p>
<p>NA do not have enough data to be statistically viable. And even if they did, their sample is not representative. And even if it was, they have been caught numerous times lying and manipulating data.</p>
<p>Opera IS gaining market share. According to StatCounter, Opera had 1.4% worldwide a year ago. Now it has more than 3%. And the best part is that the 3% figure adds up if you compare Opera&#8217;s 40 million desktop users to the total number of people online according to various analysts.</p>
<p>In Europe, Opera had 3-4% a year ago. Now more than 8%.</p>
<blockquote><p>Opera is stagnant when it comes to market share</p></blockquote>
<p>As I have shown, this is a lie. Stop relying on Net Applications.</p>
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		<title>By: ps</title>
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		<dc:creator>ps</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2009 14:43:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>dear @wut

I have to ask you, but have you ever considered seeking professional help on your mental health? Ammount of hatred in your posts is _way_ above norm. I hope your parent are near to help you.

[quote]Darn right they don’t. They make them up on the spot!

You are basically willfully passing on lies. That makes you a liar.[/quote]

Back on topic. NetApplications have large enough ammount of data to be statistically viable. And (even) if they are biased, and rely too much on US market, the trend that can be seen is rather clear. Opera (as I think this is your problem) is _NOT_ gaining market share (not users, share) at a speed you&#039;d like to see. This is hardly surprising given they are loosing (or lost?) browser war already.

The same fact can be drawn from whatever stat gathering site you can choose. Just because this _is_ exactly like it is - Opera is stagnant when it comes to market share, and hyperagressive rhetorics (and baseless acusations, etc) is not going to change, and even if, then for worse, because you are _revolting_ example of Opera user/ambassador.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dear @wut</p>
<p>I have to ask you, but have you ever considered seeking professional help on your mental health? Ammount of hatred in your posts is _way_ above norm. I hope your parent are near to help you.</p>
<p>[quote]Darn right they don’t. They make them up on the spot!</p>
<p>You are basically willfully passing on lies. That makes you a liar.[/quote]</p>
<p>Back on topic. NetApplications have large enough ammount of data to be statistically viable. And (even) if they are biased, and rely too much on US market, the trend that can be seen is rather clear. Opera (as I think this is your problem) is _NOT_ gaining market share (not users, share) at a speed you&#8217;d like to see. This is hardly surprising given they are loosing (or lost?) browser war already.</p>
<p>The same fact can be drawn from whatever stat gathering site you can choose. Just because this _is_ exactly like it is &#8211; Opera is stagnant when it comes to market share, and hyperagressive rhetorics (and baseless acusations, etc) is not going to change, and even if, then for worse, because you are _revolting_ example of Opera user/ambassador.</p>
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		<title>By: wut</title>
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		<dc:creator>wut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2009 13:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Net Applications can hardly be considered liars as an industry standard.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
On the contrary, liars cannot be considered to be an industry standard. If we rely on liars as an &quot;industry standard&quot;, then the industry is screwed.

&lt;blockquote&gt;They collect their data from a network of 40,000 sites worldwide, for a total of 160 million site visitors. This is a statistically significant sample.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
No it isn&#039;t. It is not a representative sample because the selection method is invalid. Besides, StatCounter has an even bigger sample than Net Applications.

But perhaps you should go back to school to learn statistics. Just because you have a lot of data doesn&#039;t mean that the data is statistically valid.

&lt;blockquote&gt;The sites are skewed towards English-speaking sites, but is by no means limited to that.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Net Applications is almost exclusively focused on the US.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Net Applications can hardly be considered liars as an industry standard.</p></blockquote>
<p>On the contrary, liars cannot be considered to be an industry standard. If we rely on liars as an &#8220;industry standard&#8221;, then the industry is screwed.</p>
<blockquote><p>They collect their data from a network of 40,000 sites worldwide, for a total of 160 million site visitors. This is a statistically significant sample.</p></blockquote>
<p>No it isn&#8217;t. It is not a representative sample because the selection method is invalid. Besides, StatCounter has an even bigger sample than Net Applications.</p>
<p>But perhaps you should go back to school to learn statistics. Just because you have a lot of data doesn&#8217;t mean that the data is statistically valid.</p>
<blockquote><p>The sites are skewed towards English-speaking sites, but is by no means limited to that.</p></blockquote>
<p>Net Applications is almost exclusively focused on the US.</p>
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		<title>By: Ally</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ally</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2009 13:27:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like IE! It&#039;s High! Hurray! Many people like&#039;s IE!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like IE! It&#8217;s High! Hurray! Many people like&#8217;s IE!</p>
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		<title>By: Sklep Zoologiczny</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sklep Zoologiczny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 22:24:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Because he is Opera fanboy&lt;/blockquote&gt;
So? He just know what&#039;s good. End.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Because he is Opera fanboy</p></blockquote>
<p>So? He just know what&#8217;s good. End.</p>
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		<title>By: Nicole</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nicole</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 16:14:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Net Applications can hardly be considered liars as an industry standard. They collect their data from a network of 40,000 sites worldwide, for a total of 160 million site visitors. This is a statistically significant sample. The sites are skewed towards English-speaking sites, but is by no means limited to that. If you actually took a moment to delve into the stats, you can view the worldwide data.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Net Applications can hardly be considered liars as an industry standard. They collect their data from a network of 40,000 sites worldwide, for a total of 160 million site visitors. This is a statistically significant sample. The sites are skewed towards English-speaking sites, but is by no means limited to that. If you actually took a moment to delve into the stats, you can view the worldwide data.</p>
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		<title>By: wut</title>
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		<dc:creator>wut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 08:25:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Vyggie, no, NetApps are liars because they CLAIM to be global but are just about only in the US. That is of course combined with all their other lies.

&lt;blockquote&gt;They don’t guess statistics.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Darn right they don&#039;t. They make them up on the spot!

You are basically willfully passing on lies. That makes you a liar.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Vyggie, no, NetApps are liars because they CLAIM to be global but are just about only in the US. That is of course combined with all their other lies.</p>
<blockquote><p>They don’t guess statistics.</p></blockquote>
<p>Darn right they don&#8217;t. They make them up on the spot!</p>
<p>You are basically willfully passing on lies. That makes you a liar.</p>
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		<title>By: Emil Ivanov</title>
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		<dc:creator>Emil Ivanov</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 18:47:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Personally I prefer StatCounter stats than NetApplications, but it will be very interesting if we have global data from Google Analytics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Personally I prefer StatCounter stats than NetApplications, but it will be very interesting if we have global data from Google Analytics.</p>
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		<title>By: Vygantas Lipskas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vygantas Lipskas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 18:01:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just because Net App monitors US mostly, doesn&#039;t mean they are liars :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just because Net App monitors US mostly, doesn&#8217;t mean they are liars :-)</p>
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		<title>By: Grrblt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Grrblt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 17:49:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Ledz

http://my.opera.com/haavard/blog/2008/12/12/net-applications-again-opera-vs-chrome-actual-numbers-vs-claimed-market-sha</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Ledz</p>
<p><a href="http://my.opera.com/haavard/blog/2008/12/12/net-applications-again-opera-vs-chrome-actual-numbers-vs-claimed-market-sha" rel="nofollow">http://my.opera.com/haavard/blog/2008/12/12/net-applications-again-opera-vs-chrome-actual-numbers-vs-claimed-market-sha</a></p>
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