Comments on: Google Chrome DOES NOT Have 30 Million Users

By: Somebody

Somebody — Sat, 07 Nov 2009 05:56:13 +0000

One person or not even a few people can represent the face of opera browser. In that case , Asa Dotzler can be called the face of Firefox and he is much worse :P.

By: Washout

Washout — Fri, 06 Nov 2009 19:14:22 +0000

Eice the liar ignored this:

BTW, what about the numbers for IE and Safari?

Safari is bigger than Chrome according to Net Applications. Chrome is bigger than Safari according to Statcounter.

IE has 58%, but then it has 64%.

But apparently, Statcounter and NetApps are both right even when they contradict eachother :-D

Pathetic indeed. Lying troll.

By: Washout

Washout — Fri, 06 Nov 2009 19:11:54 +0000

They can be trusted when they come from the browser vendors, but not from the stats companies (especially NetApps, which has a history of lying).

By: Washout

Washout — Fri, 06 Nov 2009 19:11:30 +0000

“Completely different”? They both give strong indications that Mozilla and Google are giving more or less correct stats, and that Opera’s figures are completely phony.

Not at all. StatCounter and NetApps directly contradict each other. The IE and Safari stats also directly makes NetApps contradict itself compared to your claims.

Opera is lying NOW. It claims to have roughly as many users as Chrome. It is the only one saying so. No source or evidence is there to back up its empty claims.

Actually, Opera’s numbers are trustworthy because they are required by law to be truthful. NetApps are not. Further to that, the NetApps numbers directly contradict the StatCounter numbers.

Measuring global market share is perfectly possible.

No, it’s impossible.

Even if you don’t get the numbers correct down to the last decimal, you can measure general trends perfectly well.

But that was not your argument. Your argument was that Opera was lying because the proven liars at NetApps had numbers that contradicted both your claims and their own claims about browser market share.

You failed to address the fact that the NetApps do not match for Safari and IE, nor for Chrome and Firefox.

By: Washout

Washout — Fri, 06 Nov 2009 14:18:41 +0000

Nope, looks like at least NetApps base their stats on “unique visitors”, as they explain on their site:

We use a unique methodology for collecting this data. We collect data from the browsers of site visitors to our exclusive on-demand network of live stats customers. The data is compiled from approximately 160 million visitors per month. The information published is an aggregate of the data from this network of hosted website statistics. The site unique visitor and referral information is summarized on a monthly, weekly, daily and hourly basis.

By: Washout

Washout — Fri, 06 Nov 2009 14:14:25 +0000

Why are you so quick to bash Opera, but equally quick to defend Google?

By: somebody

somebody — Fri, 06 Nov 2009 12:58:18 +0000

I think Netapp and other companies calculate usage rather than number of users. So Opera mini usage is bound to be less than the desktop browsers even if it has the same number of users, coz people normally browser for lesser time on mobile browsers. So we cannot match number of users to the stats. Atleast that’s what i believe :).

By: Haresh

Haresh — Fri, 06 Nov 2009 11:41:01 +0000

How much ‘trustable’ are these data when they come from the respective companies themselves?

By: Washout

Washout — Fri, 06 Nov 2009 11:10:57 +0000

It’s a good point about Opera Mini servers, actually. And this makes browser stats even more useless because this alone is a huge error source.

And with Turbo growing in popularity the claimed market figures for Opera are basically completely wrong.

(Even though it’s easy to look for the X-Forwarded-For header.)

By: Washout

Washout — Fri, 06 Nov 2009 09:45:47 +0000

Except you forget the part where he was using 30 million as the current number. But hey, who cares about actual facts, eh?