Like IE, Firefox gets sites designed for it.

BTW, Opera has 3% market share worldwide and 7+% in Europe.

Wonder why this nobody guy is obsessing over Opera. His “Opera can’t move” nonsense is typical of his parents-basement ramblings :)

Guess he isn’t doing too well in his parents basement.

Google managed to create a very basic browser in more than two years. Wow, they sure move fast!

Firefox hassle-free? Yeah, right.

Opera has just 1% market share? Yeah, right.

on a greater scale – it was opera’ concious decision to not outsource webdev tools’ development to 3rd party (extension maker) thus freeing workforce.

opera is in a trap now. they have a product so massive and big, that pure maintaining it eats major portion of resources. supporting one system costs N. supporting 2nd system costs 2N, 3rd one – 3N..[so 3 systems 1+2+3] it adds up very quickly. opera cant do any big move now, just because it cant support and maintanin it. it is a trap caused by shortsightnes of their staff. they are engineers, not managers, and it is easily visible.. opera cant make any sudden moves because it got too big as a product and insisted to everything ALONE.

firefox, on the other hand.. is a fairly small product, with all costly systems (each extension is a system on its own) cleverly outsourced to a selfcontained teams. it works and has infinite scalability if done right. opera’ way – isnt, opera reached its max size some time ago and can no longer support its new features. it is a canibalism of sorts. oh my, so many problems just because somebody said ‘no’ to extension api..

It is not fair to compare Dragonfly and Firebug, Dragonfly is only in alpha 3. Also yes Opera needs an extension support.

firefox ‘just works’ because most people who make sites these days use tools firefox provides – firebug/pixelPerfect (great tool, thanks) along with specialistic stuff like seo/performance metters.

and they use these, because these are the best available – easy to use, powerfull, constantly managed and developed.

opera.. well, no comments.

‘ff is like netscape’ is rather VERY poor attempt, as most today’s webdevs are too young to even remember netscape. ff has sites designed for it, because people use ff to design them.

ff and opera both started from 1% market share (even if you caount netscape in, but that is lame anyway), and somehow ff now has 25%+ and opera is still around statistical error mark. what differed these browsers? extensions and developer tools.

opera still hasnt got neither of these..

Like IE, Firefox gets sites designed for it.

Opera lacks such tools. Dragonfly was hyped to be _oh so magnificent_ and all it got was totally useless ‘proxy’ mode and THE most revolting UI ever. Not mentioning, that it is JavaScript snippet, and as such has very serious limitations.

Concluding, yes that are the developers who make incompatible pages, but it is Opera, that did not provide them with both tools and incentive to make them work in Opera.

Strong belief in standards being good != incentive.